Wed 8 Oct 2008
Town Hall Presidential Debate: In depth, cerebral analysis
Posted by Jason Morgan under Current Events, Politics
Gotcha!! Flurries of blogs, newspaper articles, television reports, the list goes on and on, are discussing last night’s Town Hall-style Presidential debate between John McCain and Barack Obama. I offer nothing, other than my opinion, which I have found is not ubiquitous amongst my fellow Americans (like it ever is…).
John McCain won last night. That’s right, I said it and I mean it. I don’t care what political analysts are saying about the “That One” comment, or the $300 billion mortgage slip-up; those are mere trivialities that do not hit the core. The bottom line is that many people talk about Obama as being a better speaker, more “Presidential”, a quicker off-the-cuff debater, etc. I didn’t see that last night.
John McCain, policies of both candidates notwithstanding, performed better in the debate because he conducted himself more professionally and eloquently. Senator McCain made one slip-up with the diminutive “That One” remark, which I shall now dub, “The sound bite heard ’round the World.”
If you actually paid attention, not the same as merely staring blankly at the television while your mind fills in the candidates’ dialogue with substance you presume they are saying, you would have seen Tom Brokaw incessantly reminding the candidates to adhere to the rules they agreed to for the debate. This is understandable as two minutes is not very long to answer some pretty hefty questions. However, the candidates showed a little something about their personalities in the way they responded to the moderator’s prodding.
Barack Obama completely ignored, and even became slightly hostile to Mr. Brokaw, going so far as to ignore the rules of the debate by speaking out of turn even at the objection of the moderator and the other candidate. I understand that the rules were restrictive to some degree, but then Obama and his campaign should not have agreed to the rules as they were finalized. I do not want a President in office who ignores rules and does not respect others. That mirrors George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, which is most certainly not, “The change American needs,” so overzealously espoused by Senator Obama.
The pettiness and childish quarreling between both candidates over their alleged “fundamental differences” put me off a great deal. The candidates are fundamentally very different, however that was not expressed adequately to the public in this most recent bout. That which I saw expressed was an underlying anger and hostility in Obama’s character when under duress. A United States President will be under duress for the majority of the term, so I think it imprudent to select a candidate who cannot handle the pressure artfully.
Go ahead, listen to the pundits, ireporters, bloggers, whomever, if you must, regarding who won the debate. I choose to believe my own eyes and ears, and those senses tell me McCain laid down some serious smack on Obama last night. Why else would Obama have insisted on responding to comments McCain made when there was to be no response? Because he wanted to clarify points McCain made that cast Obama in a very damagingly negative light. That is part of the debate strategy, Senator Obama. McCain outmaneuvered him, plain and simple. Kudos to John McCain on his debate performance, no matter what the political analysts say.

October 8th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
I agree Jay. My own opinions aside, I think the GOP ticket won all three debates to date. But the media decides the outcome of these debates before they take place unfortunately.
October 8th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Absolutely. It really bothers me that people go in with preconceived notions and essentially wind up fabricating the entire debate in their own brains such that their expectation is the outcome. It is OK to have preconceptions, but immovable preconceptions are dangerous and counterproductive.
October 8th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
I had a similar experience with the first debate. I turned the TV off thinking that McCain had rhetorically won! He kept pushing the agenda of the discussions, and I thought his abrasiveness would poll much better than it did.
Imagine my pleasant surprise when I woke up and saw that by all objective measures, Obama had won the debate.
While I thought that Obama won last night, “winning” is subjective. I thought it was odd that Obama begged for a rule-break, but on the other hand, he might have been carrying his “punch back” style of campaigning to its (il?)logical extreme. It was a black mark on an improved performance.
Last night showed me that McCain is in trouble. His performance was good (I felt he made some good points, dropped off for a while, and had a killer ending), but he’s in serious trouble if the only conversation he can generate is based off of “THAT one” and “my friends.”
October 8th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
McCain’s shining moment came last night when he approached and engaged the Chief Petty Officer. That was very well played.
October 8th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
There is an old saying about opinions. “they are like ass holes, everybody has one and they all stink.” Here is my stinky opinion. I think John McCain probably edged Barack Obama in the first debate. The debate was mostly focused on foreign policy which is McCain’s wheel house (although I disagree with his stance in Iraq). I thought Senator Obama held is own but if I had to pick, that would be my winner.
Sarah Palin exceeded my expectations but those expectations were really low. For those who had a problem with Senator Obama and his wife fist pounding I wonder if you were as offeended by Mrs. Palin’s “Shoot Out”. I could careless about either but I don’t think she is ready to lead anything outside of a book banning.
As for the last debate I felt Mr. Obama won pretty handily and I think the republicans are getting desperate. Senator McCain always comes off angry or hokey to me anytime he is talking about anything but his experience in the POW camp. I lost a lot of respect for a man who I had an enormous amount in last few months. I think he missed his chance in 2000.
Jack
Give the whole liberal media thing a rest. You are sounding like me with big business or Raven Simone.
October 8th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Jake - good points, especially in that who “won” is completely subjective to the individual. This is my opinion only. But, I do want to get your thoughts as a grounded Obama supporter on his demeanor: did you get the sense of hostility that I got out of the performance? I say performance because that is all these things really are anymore.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Jason:
I thought the majority of Obama’s answers followed a template:
- Connect with questioner (if asked by audience) (10 sec)
- Condemn current policies + John McCain + President Bush (30 sec)
- Say how the problems relate to the middle class (~45 sec)
- Segue into broad policy statement. (~30 sec)
You could definitely say that he was hostile towards Republicans. I don’t think a question went by that he didn’t jab at one of McCain, Bush, or Republicans as a group. He also went out of his way to point out the shortcomings of the format to the moderator.
You hit the nail on the head by calling it a “performance.” Obama definitely spent the past week studying audience reactions and going through focus groups, and I think it came out in his template. I flipped over to CNN for 15 minutes towards the end (they do undecided voter reactions as +/-), and the audience definitely didn’t like his attacks, but were swooning over him by the end. I could see that falling short if you were disgusted that he attacked at every opportunity.
John McCain was less scripted, and I think it hurt him. He tends to form his policy decisions in one of two forms:
1) Barack Obama has said [A], but I think that we [B]
2) My platform is [A]. Barack Obama, on the other hand, has done [B], which goes against the very values of my campaign.
The constant return to the attack by McCain seemed to hurt him in the CNN +/- tracker. We’ll see if he switches it up for debate 3.
Edit: Oops, angle brackets
October 8th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
McCain is way behind in the polls. He has to go on the attack, big time.
Expect more and more attacks on Obama’s character, record, and affiliations between now and November
October 8th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
That is a good breakdown of the answers. I found that undecided voter thing distracting when I watched the VP debate which is why I didn’t go with CNN this time.
I find the attacks distasteful from both campaigns. I want more substance behind issues rather than why the other guy isn’t as good. That’s all.