Tue 8 Jul 2008
Debunking the Myths About Nuclear Power
Posted by Jack Gamble - Man Overboard under Energy, Environment, Science, Society, Technology
Today I had the distinct displeasure or reading an article posted by the Center for American Progress (or lack thereof) entitled 10 Reasons Not to Invest in Nuclear Energy. I found the piece to be universally lacking in areas of scientific merit, modern technology, and practical thought of any kind. I have taken it upon myself to dissect, disprove, and debunk each of these supposed reasons not to harness the power of the atom to free us from the binds of foreign oil.
Enjoy.
1. “Nuclear faces prohibitively high-and escalating-capital costs…Nuclear power plant construction costs-mainly materials, labor, and engineering-rose by 185 percent between 2000 and 2007.”
Find me one product, commodity, or service in the known world that did not rise by a similar margin in that same period and I will be very surprised. Did someone say “Gasoline?”
“…and well-placed wind turbines can produce electricity for less than 5 cents per kWh.”
By “well placed” do you mean in a spot that never has a lack of wind? So all we need to do now is place 50 thousand wind turbines atop Mt. Everest and - presto - limitless energy.
2. “Plant construction is limited by production bottlenecks. Japan Steel is the only company in the world “capable of producing the central part of a nuclear reactor’s containment vessel…but it can only produce four per year.”…China and India are increasing their nuclear capacity to meet growing energy needs.”
This sounds to me like there is market share for the taking. So let’s build another facility capable of making these vessels right here in the US. That IS the American way isn’t it?
I have to ask myself, if nuclear is so economically cumbersome, then why are China and India, the two fastest growing countries in the world, increasing their nuclear capacity? That is a mystery, is it not?
3. “New nuclear plants probably won’t be designed by American companies.”
I guess the good folks at The Center for American Progress have never heard of the General Electric ESBWR or the Westinghouse AP1000. Both are generation III+ Nuclear reactors designed by American Engineers for American Utilities.
4. “Unresolved problems regarding the availability and security of waste storage.”
The people who tout this as a reason to shut down nuclear energy are the same people who routinely intervene in the Yucca Mountain Repository and the Spent Fuel Reprocessing both of which would solve the problem of nuclear waste and lower the cost of Nuclear Fuel.
5. “Nuclear faces concerns about uranium supplies and importation issues…Increased nuclear capacity would either make us more dependent on foreign uranium…”
The practice of nuclear fuel recycling will make plenty of Uranium available. Also, forgive me, but I seem to recall another foreign dependency that might just pose a bigger problem than Uranium. This comment is comedy at its best.
6. “Nuclear reactors require water use amid shortages.”
Two thirds of the world’s surface is covered with water and salt water works just fine for cooling a nuclear reactor. If anything, nuclear energy is the only source of sufficient electricity to make desalination a viable solution to world water shortages.
7. “Safety concerns still plague nuclear power.”
Far more people have died or been harmed by plant accidents, mine collapses, and health hazards as a result of fossil fuels or “dirt-burners” than Nuclear Power - FAR more.
8. “Nuclear is already a mature technology-it will not get cheaper.”
Actually, the GE ESBWR (Economic Simplified Boiling Water Reactor) is a giant leap in reactor technology and can provide more electricity with 20% fewer complex components than any reactor currently in service. To say a technology is “mature” is a quote best suited for the dark ages, not the 21st century.
9. “Other clean energy technologies are cheaper, cleaner, and faster to build.”
So what do you do on a cloudy day with no wind? Proponents of wind and solar have no answer for this question and I don’t expect one anytime soon.
10. “Nuclear subsidies take money away from more effective alternative energy subsidies.”
Sure, because the corn subsidies for Ethanol have worked wonders for the energy crisis, the American economy, and food prices worldwide.
I guess my point is, there is no good reason to not pursue nuclear energy as viable solution to the energy crisis. If the opponents of nuclear energy won’t take the time to conjure up a believable, legitimate, FACT-BASED excuse to ignore the limitless energy that is at our fingertips, then they should step aside and allow Engineers and Scientists who are hard at work to solve the world’s energy problems.
~Man Overboard
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July 9th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Even with limited personal knowledge of the energy industry as a whole, these 10 reasons offered by the Center for American Progress are logically suspect at best.
There is no substance behind these blanket statements whatsoever, and one must assume that they are somehow financially vested in other alternative energy sources other than Nuclear.
So again, instead of doing what is best to correct a growing problem (dependence on foreign oil) lobby groups are going to promote the investments that will further line their pockets.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Mc Gill University developed the ‘Slow Poke’ reactor in the 1950’s and there is still one in operation in the Montreal area. Apparently the plan was to put one of these things under every hospital in the province of Quebec to provide emergency power, and maybe they did, who knows? The general english speaking American population have been fed exactly what American corporations want them to know fo so long that the truth seems alien to them. Yes, Alice, Ford rust, even in never-never land! Missisbitchi has a unit for sale right now, to the rest of the world that can power a small hotel for twenty years with the fuel that it is delivered with.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
So the thing about wind energy… a local plastics production facility put up there own windmill a few years back. It produced enough energy for the plant itself and quite a few homes in the area. So your comment about Everest doesn’t really hold, mate. I understand this article’s about nuclear energy (I’m a proponent), but don’t knock something else that’s extremely viable just to make your point.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
yea i agree, nuclear is really the best idea. It provides enormous amounts of power, and isnt really all that hard to store. anyways, for your number 5. about shortages of uranium, here is a quote about uranium in sea water “All the world’s electricity usage, 650GWe could therefore be supplied by the uranium in seawater for 7 million years.”(Bernard Cohen).http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/cohen.html#cohen
And for number 7 about saftey issues, this website shows what it is that surrounds a reactor. its impressive to say the least. “http://www.nmcco.com/education/facts/safety/what_makes.htm
so why no nuclear? also, I dont have the website but i read once that all of the nuclear waste in the world could be stored in the area of a football field. so astoundingly that wouldnt poison and kill everyone, especially in the containment vessels they have.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:08 am
Graves,
All good points. The football field analogy might be a little ambitious, but your overall point of the small amount of waste relative to GWe is well made.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Not to mention that the 4th generation plants promise more efficient usage of Uranium, which would safeguard supply, decreases production cost, and significantly reduce the radioactive waste and storage time.
July 13th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Right on Kim. The efficiency factor is seldom looked at by oponents of nuclear energy. Now combine increased efficiency with spent fuel reprocessing and you have solved the waste problem.
August 10th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Whenever an argument to favor nuclear power starts by attacking solar or wind, you know it’s suspect. Either nuclear is a great source of energy, or it’s not.
And it’s time for ALL energy sources to have the cost of dismantling it, or of handling it’s waste, etc, included in it’s costs. Nuclear waste costs aren’t included in the calculations for nuclear power. Nucularists argue that the costs of coal dust and other pollutants aren’t included in the cost of coal electric production either, as if this gets nuclear off the hook.
Actually, it’s a comment on coal and oil use to produce energy should also be forced to pay for these costs.
Solar ans wind power also have costs. Like removing the wind tower after it’s useful life. But those costs are tiny in comparison.
When ALL these costs are included, I suspect wind/solar blow away the competition.
The real reason we are heading towards a nuclear future, is because only nuclear and coal and oil fired energy production has the potention for centralized profits. And these profits can be mega profits.
Solar and wind spread out the profits so it’s less attractive for the super rich, who tend to own our government and media. And they even own quite a few blogs.
And after passing internet neutrality laws, they’ll own all the blogs.
August 11th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Is “nucularists” a real word?
August 15th, 2008 at 6:39 am
I think one important thing to be learned from the problem of fossil fuel generated electricity is that dependency on one fuel source is a bad idea. Yes I think nuclear has a very important part to play, but that doesn’t automatically make solar and wind a crap idea. The main point should be that nuclear power, even with its problems (which may now be solvable as you say) is far less polluting and far less dangerous than coal-fired power stations.
Nuclear should certainly be part of the move away from fossil fuels, but that doesn’t preclude the use of solar, wind tidal etc., the obvious thing to do is use all of them. Unfortunately as someone else has mentioned, that breaks up energy supply monopolies and is not likely to happen any time soon.
August 15th, 2008 at 10:31 am
I actually worked at Oyster Creek Nuclear Facility (http://www.oystercreeklr.com/) in Forked River, NJ, one of the first (possibly THE first I don’t remember) Power plants on the East Coast. It recently just got its licence renewed to 2029, and has been running safely for 37 years. Right now I am going for my Masters in Biology with a concentration in Environmental Studies, so I kinda know the ins and outs of all the energy alternatives.
There are 110 Nuclear Power Plants here in the US providing roughly 20% of the country’s power, (about 100,000 Megawatts). Yes they are expensive to build, but the net power they create is worth every penny.
Mostly every one that lives around the one here in Oyster Creek are always worried about a melt down. Almost 95% of Nuclear Meltdowns (Including partial meltdowns) Have been caused by nothing more than human operation error (AKA-Stupid People). They are also worried about terrorists getting inside and working for the plant itself.
Well let me tell you something, it is not that easy.
But it is almost impossible to walk building to building in the place without being noticed. I have been written four citations in the three months of working there.
1) No walking and talking.
2) No walking while on a cell phone.
3) No cutting corners from the paths.
4) No walking on the rocks or gravel.
I thought those citations were the most ridiculous things ever, but, its safety I guess…
Nuclear Energy is the way to go. Its efficient, clean, long lasting. Not as much as an ‘eye soar’ as solar panels and wind turbines. (I don’t mind the panels and mills, I think they are neat.) The power plant may be considered an eye soar but compared to the amount of space needed, it can easily be hidden.
As for once the plant needs to be taken down. . . There are a lot worse things seeping into our water table from landfills and illegal dumping. At least the nuclear waste has guidelines that are followed for disposable.
Still scare about Nuclear Meltdowns? How about the Big-Bang recreation that is already a disaster. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1626728.ece
August 21st, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Ashley,
Thanks for the comment and the insight. Unfortunately I had to edit some of the content from your comment.
It is not my intent to silence or censor you in anyway. As a former nuclear profesional, I’m sure you can understand why I can’t allow specific details of security measures to be published in this way.
I hope you don’t take offense and as always I welcome your input on this and any other posts.
Thanks again.
~Man Overboard
August 25th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
we have already screwed the world up enough. what else could possibly happen if we use nuclear power?
August 25th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I just don’t see the point of splitting atoms just so that we can heat water to turn a generator. It’s like using a nuclear bomb to kill a fly — simply overkill.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Joel,
Other than just not seeing the point - do you have any actual reason not to?
By the way - your attempt to link nuclear weapons with nuclear energy is the oldest trick in the environmentalist book when it comes to intervening with cheap limitless energy.
If you look at the science nuclear is the only viable option.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:27 am
I don’t think the author’s intent was to discredit solar and wind as viable energy solution. Rather it seems his point was to indicate that solar and wind cannot possibly cover all of our energy needs, and it’s not even close. There’s a reason big oil/coal/gas is paying a lot of dough to tout wind and solar and it’s not because they care about the environment: it’s because they all know that solar and wind will never sustain all of our needs and they want you to forget about nukes, which could produce enough power to broker it to Mars if the need arises.
The “point” that Joel 1.0 misses is that nuke power is clean, safe, and abundant. More people die falling off windmills every year than have died in the US from nuke power going bonkers. Just so you know: Nobody died at 3 mile island, the safety protocols worked brilliantly, and a Chernobyl disaster is impossible with a modern facility.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Joel 2,
You make an excellent point on the use of Wind and Solar by the dirt-burners as a distractor from nuclear energy. But with the masses driven mad by the “green” movement it is far to easy to paint the picture of a windmill
Also,
Although you’re correct that the exact event known as the Chernobyl Disaster could not happen with the design of American reactors, rest assured the industry takes even the most remote possibility of any accident like TMI or somthing similar to Chernobyl very seriously.
The industry could not survive another event. Therefore they forbid themselves from saying the anything is “impossible” as saying so would only lead to the same overconfidence that caused those disasters.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Is there anything wrong with using nuclear, solar, and wind all together? Maybe Nuclear for the main source and solar/wind for isolated locations where it is not economically feasible to build a nuclear plant?
November 14th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
I think the list you made should be revamped so it is more unbiased. Everest?
solar/thermal/wind/tidal/wave/hydro are the ultimate way to a less complicated, less centralized solution. The problem is getting there. The stepping stones in between are hybrid cars, nuclear, Natural Gas, etc.
In the short term (50 years) I do believe nuclear should play a part in assisting us in getting off of Middle East and Venezuelan oil as well as reduce the use of coal burning plants. Not as large a part as you seem to hint at. Building ~200-300 nuclear power plants to meet our needs doesn’t sound like a good plan.
Doubling or Tipling our nuclear power plants would increase the risk of human error by two to three times. Possibly even more risk since federal regulation of these plants could spread even thinner as well as the engineers capable of handling this industry are spread accross the plants. These plants need to be ultra-secure to avoid terrorism and ultra-managed to avoid human error. Except for a few minor dangers like falling glass from a solar panel or a wind turbine falling on my house, I think the danger is minimal.
Investment in 100% clean energy needs to happen at a strong steady pace going forward because the reqrds of pushing the technology could yield efficienies in those technoligies that could release our economy from the whim of groups like OPEC and the secret agendas of Presidential Administrations.
I’m a proponent of all clean and near clean technologies including Nuclear but there is no one solution. Let’s build more plants but it is not THE way.
Besides I think everyone gets a kick out of getting off the grid. It is possible with efficiency, conservation and the soon to be developed 100% clean technolgies.