Sat 19 Apr 2008
You Should Support the O-Bomb
Posted by Jake Voytko under Politics
That’s right, Babelers. I have thrown my hat into the ring for Obama.
To preface this post: all of the candidates left will not destroy the world. I think that now that Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani have run their own campaigns into the ground, the candidates who are left are reasonable enough to actually help America. But now we need to pick the best one, and I have spent the past week doing that.
So Why Not McCain?
One of the most important issues to me is that the United States should run like a business: in the black. Running in the red year after year will lead to catastrophe. In that event, it won’t matter WHAT your #1 priority is, because you won’t be able to afford it. Long-term crippling debt doesn’t work for small business, it doesn’t work for large business, and it certainly won’t work for our government.
Your views are very conservative. Why not McCain? He’s Republican.
The Republican party stopped being the Conservative party when Gerald Ford stepped into office.
I can hear your shock through the Internet. “What do you mean the Republicans are not the Conservative party? They’re better than the Democrats. Or did I mean Spendocrats?”
Before you high-five yourself, take a look at this graph. Take a look at the starting/ending deficits following Nixon. Especially fun to look at is Reagan, oft-touted as a stalwart conservative. He more than doubled the yearly deficit.
Republicans are empirically worse at money management than the Democrats, so it will take more than a party affiliation to sway me.
But You’ll Benefit From a McCain Presidency!
I considered going line-item through his website and listing the pros and cons, but suffice it to say that he came out even, and that’s if he acts on every single promise. It looks like a lot of his plans will have the opposite effect, as befalls many economic stimulus attempts. For example, the Freakonomics blog reports that McCain’s gas tax holiday will be neutralized– and potentially make gas cost more– by the increase in demand. There is, however, one dealbreaker in his economic plan:
Make it Harder to Raise Taxes
Here’s were McCain has lost my vote. It’s already hard to raise taxes. Bush Sr. is the perfect example: he ruined his political career and his reputation by raising taxes when he needed to. Reagan had to disguise his tax increases as “loophole closing” in order to avoid detection.
The opposite, lowering taxes, is all too easy to do. Our current fearless leader has fearlessly opted to fearlessly increase spending and cut taxes, an awful idea he was able to implement with no problem. The Congress and Senate have willingly gone along.
Nobody likes their taxes to be raised, least of all most of the Senators passing the tax increases: if they go over badly enough, our public servants are out of a job. We’ve already “internalized the externality” as far as raising taxes goes: it directly harms Senators when they pass a tax increase.
We should internalize the consequences (and yes, there are consequences!) of tax cuts. Doing anything else will ruin America.
Taxes are raised when they are needed: to offset the cost of a program, or to (god forbid!) try to pay off the National Debt. I see no reason to hasten the downfall of our country by making it harder to do something that is needed. If you look at it this way, Republicans make up between 40% to 60% of Congress at any one time. Even when they are at a low period, we have 40% Republican. All of these Republicans will refuse to raise taxes most (or all) of the time. After all, they don’t want to be the next Bush, Sr.
Basically, the Democrats would need to pitch a perfect game to try to get our country back on track. Needless to say, any tax increase would be doomed from the get go, no matter how much it is needed.
But McCain is running a respectful campaign!
I was relieved to see his memo calling for a respectful campaign. No longer would we have to deal with absurd patriotism “gotchas” and pictures of funny faces sent out with campaign fliers. No more B.S. groups “Swift-Boating” candidates, and no more “flip-flopping”. After all, even our fearless leader once criticized the war in Kosovo, declaring that it was foolish without an exit strategy. Our fearless vice-leader once predicted that entering Baghdad would be a quagmire. What foresight!
But all of the respectful campaigning ended when McCain’s campaign sent out a campaign email claiming that Hamas supports Obama. I can’t think of a better way to raise the level of political discourse in our country than to try to terrify voters with the words of scary scary Muslims.
His website is also bespeckled with digs at “the Democrats” as well as half-truths. For example, his economic policy page says:
John McCain will maintain the current income and investment tax rates and fight the Democrats’ plans for a crippling tax increase in 2011. Left to their devices, Democrats will impose a massive $100 billion tax hike, almost $700 per taxpayer every year.
I will let Dr. Cox of Scrubs refute this:
Where does he go wrong? He is referring to the Bush tax cuts, written by fellow Republicans. A Republican in office would also let them expire “left to their own devices.” As would Martians. Also note that the largest burden of the expiration would land on the wealthy, so the $700/person figure is misleading. Also note that leading Democratic candidate Barack Obama would only repeal the tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% of households. I am not part of the wealthiest 1% of households, and I’d bet you’re not either. Our money is largely safe. In the off chance you fall in that group, you got quite a break over the past few years, and I hope you’ve invested the difference well in the meantime. In lieu of a flat tax, I feel the Clintonian tax structure is the smartest tax structure we can have (since, you know, we made money).
Security!
After that, we have the notion that we will be safest with John McCain. I question the very idea that John McCain will make us safe. At all.
In our modern combat in Iraq, McCain seems to frequently misunderstand key issues [three different links], such as which side of the Sunni/Shiite war Al Qaeda supports. “Know your enemy” is the most essential mantra of war, and the fact that McCain (and the people with whom he surrounds himself) can’t tell the difference at an instant is worrisome.
His website detailing border security, for example, is an awful mess of jingoistic B.S. and doesn’t actually list strong, specific measures as of the publish date of this article. This was one of the BIG sticking points of the 9/11 commission report, and McCain doesn’t really seem to care. I would argue that the 9/11 commission had the best chance to give a thorough shakedown of our national security, and failing to treat their recommendations seriously is a grave error.
If you consider pointing a finger at someone else, think this for one second: McCain is THE security candidate. That’s his strength. This is the one thing he is supposed to get right when everyone else fails.
Why not Hillary?
Hillary comes with Bill, which would be fantastic. He could fix foreign relations while sending Hillary emails about how to balance the budget. She has experience, having sat as a board member for Walmart in the early ’90s. She has been a Senator for a few terms now. She was the First Lady during our last golden era, and she had to pick something up during all of that time, right?
Clinton and Obama have very similar plans and very similar concerns. So why should I choose Obama over Clinton?
First, there is the Bush/Clinton dynasty problem. I was born in 1985 and a Bush/Clinton has been in office since 1989. As long as I can remember, there has been a Bush or a Clinton in office, and I literally do not know what it is like to live under another president.
This alone is not a dealbreaker! The Bill Clinton presidency was particularly successful, even in the face of adversity. He got a big budget surplus, killed terrorists before you thought it was important, and had a consistently high approval rating… all in the face of impeachment! However, Bill does not a Hillary make.
Second, everyone already has a very strong opinion of Hillary. She’s widely hated (for mostly petty reasons, I feel), so do we really need a candidate that people have to get over? Obama has momentum on his side, and everyone is forming their first opinion of him at the moment. He still has the opportunity to change minds. Hillary has lost that opportunity with some of the politically active from the mid ’90s.
Unfortunately, in the end, there are few tangible policy reasons why I shouldn’t vote for Clinton. I get a little bit of that “Mitt Romney Used Car Salesman” vibe from her, and she’s a huge fan of running on the attack instead of running on a platform. She’s jumped on both the “Obama’s Pastor” bandwagon and the “Elitist” band wagon, even though neither “scandal” really shook Obama in the long run. All of her attacks have fallen by the wayside, and she continues to lose support.
Not only that, but she is somehow managing to lose the overall fight with Obama even though she keeps winning the big wins. Why? Obama is playing Risk, and Hillary is playing Monopoly. Obama’s campaign knows exactly what it needs to win delegates in every single state, and his strategy is paying for itself over and over again: he is currently in the lead by a fair margin.
At the end of the day, I simply like Barack Obama better, believe that he has a chance to inspire the American people, and believe that he is the most calm, cool, and presidential of all of the candidates.
Why Obama
I’m going to tell you a secret. There are two presidential jobs: having a great presentation, and surrounding yourself with the right people. Obama is the supreme candidate in both of these respects. If you look at the campaign websites of all three candidates, Obama’s is by far the most effective.
To use a quick metric: websites. McCain’s website simply doesn’t wow me; something feels wrong with the presentation, and it’s hard to find specific content even if you know what you are looking for. Add in the fact that he “cites” a lot of papers without giving any hyperlinks further hurts him. Even if you want to double-check him, you have to spend an afternoon in the basement of your library. Clinton’s website suffers from small text on a lot of the details. However, Obama’s website is laid out fantastically. It is one of the best-designed websites I have ever seen.
As a person, Obama himself is very cool and collected. He sowed his political seeds with a single speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention. Name the last politician that you’ve seen actually inspire hope with a single speech! It was not a fluke, either, as his speech on race in America was also fantastic. I suggest you take the 45 minutes (yes, 45 minutes!) to watch the whole thing. You will experience the breath of fresh air of seeing how a politician SHOULD act. No jeers, no digs, no positioning and jockeying.
And not only that, but he is taking on the issues that affect the majority of Americans. Let’s face it, Bush’s politics gave the biggest advantage to the top 1%, whom he has called his “base.” You’ll now observe the recession that has resulted from 8 years of Bushanomics. As far as “pro growth” strategies go, I think you’ll find that Obama’s economic plan is comparable to McCain’s attitude towards corporations (funding R+D and investing in manufacturing), so it’s hard to make the argument that jobs would be much worse-off under Obama.
Let’s face it, the economic pendulum swings two ways. If employers don’t have money, they can’t hire, and if consumers don’t have money, they can’t buy. Pretending that all that is needed for economic success is entrepreneural funding misses the other half: the businesses are, some way or another, dependent on consumers with cash.
Another thing that hooks me with Obama is his attitude towards America. Primarily, he is not jingoistic. There is no room in our budget to continue to be Team America: World Police. Obama is not embarrassingly patriotic, he is amazingly realistic, and most importantly, hopeful. Obama has a dream of the future of America, and his website is a laundry list of the steps that need to be taken in order to reach this dream. McCain is starting with the false notion that America always will be the best nation in the world. This is a mistaken premise, so any conclusions drawn from this will be a comedy of errors.
Let’s make no mistake, patriotism is a good thing. Misguided extremist patriotism is a bad thing. Learn to point out the difference.
Obama also surrounds himself with the right people, his campaign be his witness. He has hired excellent web developers, he has recruited excellent campaign managers, he has recruited excellent fundraisers, and he has an all-star cast of advisors. McCain’s campaign ran into significant problems before he secured the nod (as did Rudy and Mitt.. what is it with the Republicans and not running businesses well?). Clinton’s campaign is reportedly millions of dollars in debt and has asked many workers to work for free. Obama’s campaign has had no such problems, as he has spent within his means. From a management standpoint, he is the only candidate who can successfully manage the campaign (or find the people who can!)
Like him or not, Obama has paid an extreme amount of attention to detail and run a fantastic campaign. He has surrounded himself with the right people, and the fact that he’s pretty big on the middle class (a membership I will have for the next 4 years) definitely does not hurt.
Let’s Barack and Roll!
Edit: I accidentally said that the opposite of raising taxes is raising taxes. Oops!

April 20th, 2008 at 8:48 am
I’m Barack Obama and I approve this message.
…it’s been a long time since I Barack n’ rolled…
April 20th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Perhaps I am naive, and you can certainly call it a vanity, but it is essential for a president to play the part and be … well, presidential. Barack fits this role perfectly, as the most refined and well spoken leader in quite sometime. He nearly has Cicero’s gift for oratory.
It should not be underestimated the importance of outstanding speech giving ability. It has the power to both persuade and move people to action. It also leads to trust born out of awe and respect. Speaking is the key ingredient to paying the presidential part - it makes people believe they are in good hands. And as far as being an elitist, I want a president that is superior to me in every single way.
I am not bothered by Obama’s lack of experience, if anything I think it may be a strength. In the political arena, those with experience on their side have only gotten there because of favors from others. When they succeed these people who gave out favors are then owed favors in return. This my friends is the Spoils System at its very worst.
April 20th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Ok so his website is cool - let’s give him the keys to the largest nuclear arsenal in the world.
Why exactly is race the biggest topic in a 21st century American presidential campaign?
Bush is not running in 08
What has Obama done - ever?
His wife is a nut.
His pastor is a racist, a fraud, a theif, and a close personal friend.
His other close personal friend bombed the Pentagon in the 70’s and said he wished
he had done more on 9/11/01 but let’s not dwell on the past…
All McCain ever did was serve decades in Congress, fly fighter jets in Vietnam, have half his face burned off in a fire aboard an aircraft carrier, and spend years in the Hanoi Hilton.
But his website is lacking.
April 20th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Well Jack we all have friends we do not entirely agree with and do questionable things.
But at least Obama does have a cool website. I mean George Bush got bad grades in college, was an Air Force flake, ran companies in the ground, and steered the Texas Rangers into baseball’s basement. But we sure made him commander in chief didn’t we?
Don’t spout out the token experience excuse because Bush the Lesser failed in all of his.
April 20th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
@Jack:
The main criticisms that you can muster against Obama are criticisms of people that he knew 30 years ago. The fact of the matter is that he fully disclosed all of the crap that he’s done in his life, and there’s nothing that sticks to him anymore. He’s weathered all of the manufactured scandals and distractions that have been thrown at him.
Since you seem to like McCain’s record, let’s dig a little further. He finished 894/899 in the US Naval Academy, and had to be frequently disciplined. McCain’s main duties in Vietnam were local and tactical, never requiring broad strategy.
I would like nothing better than my Commander in Chief to have failed all necessary strategy classes, never have actual real-world practice with broad strategy, AND still think that he can make all of the decisions himself.
He can’t even run a national campaign right. He has zero chance of having the strategic know-how of running a country involved internationally. There’s more to a country than war, and Bush will go down in history as one of the worst presidents for his hands-off approach to all domestic affairs.
McCain just doesn’t have what it takes. The fact that he is confident that he has the knowledge is all the more worrying. He suffers fully from the overconfidence effect, which to me makes him effectively worthless in all areas except those he will seek expert help.
Obama has shown an amazing ability to think at the national level. He is beating the Clinton war machine into submission while weathering McCain’s racist fearmongering BS. It’s basically a 2 on 1 right now, and in the media, Obama is coming out ahead.
Obama’s done his share in the senate (earmark reform, for instance), but the one thing that he did that McCain didn’t was research the Iraq war. If McCain couldn’t even bother to inform himself to make a decision, I see no reason that he will change as he gets older.
Since you seem to think I picked my candidate based on web design, you should go back and reread the post. It doesn’t really shine well on your reading comprehension skills.
At the end of the day, Obama has shown that he can surround himself with the people who get the job done. For example, Greg Mankiw (a Bush advisor, and the person who wrote THE textbook on economics 101) has put on his site that Obama has real economists working for him. McCain’s best, Phil Gramm, is best noted for his connections with the Enron scandal.
April 20th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
The V is for V Tokyo.
April 20th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Hahahahaha, ah man I can’t believe there’s actually a wiki page for the overconfidence effect! That’s awesome.
I’m voting for Obama, and I was set on this long before I read this post. But,thank you for doing your research, in my book that alone puts you way ahead of the 99.99% of the people I discuss politics with on a daily basis who get their facts strictly from TV. Forgive me TV, all hail TV and its aura of beauty.
Jack I see where you are coming from with the nuclear weapons comment, but we’re talking about a guy (Obama) who is ready to negotiate with leaders that we’ve labeled unnegotiable terrorists.
If anything, John “Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran” Mcain is the one we all need to worry about. The guy is a loose canon. Will of steel? I have no doubt. After all, he went through hell and made it out alive. Nobody deserves 99 Virgins awaiting him in heaven more than John McCain. But, in my opinion, he’s seriously unpredictable.
April 21st, 2008 at 7:29 pm
I have wanted to vote for Barrack since his speech in 2004. I remember saying to a friend, “Why can’t I vote for that guy?” As for his wife being a nut. I would much rather have her then Laura Bush who was the genius behind “No Child Left Behind”.
April 21st, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Jake - you’ve got a lot of great information here, on all candidates actually, which makes this an interesting and informative read.
Unrelated to the point I am going to attempt below, but still pertinent to this comment thread, is that a campaign must be run similarly to a marketing department at a corporation. Meaning, you must choose your promotional investments wisely by placing them in the areas you are most likely to achieve results, in this case votes. That said, McCain would have been foolish to spend more campaign money on developing a better website because the internet is not where his voter-base, or mostly even swing-voter base, spends their time researching politics.
There are an abundance of well researched and articulated points on why someone should vote for Obama. I still take issue with him. As it were, my life has provided me with circumstances such that I have had the misfortune of relocating to Pennsyltucky, and therefore have borne witness to a plethora of Obama/Clinton adds over the past several weeks. There is one with Obama walking around on a stage giving a speech about all of the problems in America, and soothing the crowd that with Obama in the driver’s seat there will indeed be change. In his melodramatic rant about the state of things, he makes a subtle, yet pitifully ignorant, reference to the evil-corporate-America-motif by discussing the $40 billion profits of Exxon Mobil and how terrible it is that the people should suffer economic hardships as this company rakes in the dough. Now, we all know I have discussed this previously and will refer you to the blog Is Exxon Mobil Getting Hosed? for my exact stance on this topic. In short, his comment is intentionally divisive and untrue. This one little moment showed me his ability to be completely disingenuous to a crowd of people who really are imploring for that which he promises, knowing full well that he can never give it to them, but is willing to lie to them to bring himself to power. I’m sorry, but I just can’t vote for a man so blatantly dishonest and patronizing. Patronizing why? Because he thinks he is so much smarter than the common folk that he can say whatever he wants to them, fact or fiction, and no one will know the difference. Guess what, Obama? I noticed.
April 21st, 2008 at 11:25 pm
I still can’t decide on who I want to vote for, but this post was very informative. Thank you, Jake.
As to the presidential election, I really think Obama will win the nod over Hillary. So then we are looking at either “Boom Boom McCain” (that was awesome Andrew) or “Suspicious” Obama. With McCain, you get like you said his inability to deal with foreign relations with progressive and realistic methods. I could see him being very anxious to push that button and blowing some shiznit up. He scares me for his jingoistic ideals and his lack of respect for other nations. I like Obama and I want to vote for him, but I feel sort of like what you were saying Jay - that he is an extremely powerful and charismatic speaker that everyone is flocking to. I find it hard that he can deliver with all his promises and the people are buying because they are looking for hope. I still want to know what ever happened with the Passport employees that illegaly accessed O’bama’s file. Whatever happened about that? Was anything found? Was it covered up? Who did it and what was there motivation?
If the rest of this year goes untainted, O’bama will be our next president. If not, you know ol’ America will vote for “Secure, Boom Boom McCain”.
April 22nd, 2008 at 2:32 am
@Jason:
This wasn’t really an area that I looked at when I researched my paper. I found the quote where he says that oil companies “won’t give up their profits easily,” the tone with which I do not agree.
However, I’m having trouble finding anything on what his plans are to take care of it. On the “End Wasteful Government Spending” part of his fiscal page it says that he wants to remove government subsidies for oil companies in light of their profits, which seems reasonable to me. I can’t find anything else (but I’m pretty tired and might have missed something), but all-in-all that doesn’t sound so bad to me.
April 22nd, 2008 at 7:23 am
There really isn’t anything to research. I am more concerned about his character as an individual. I will try to find the a clip of the commercial and see if I can get it on here. All I was saying is that the comments he made were media-frenzy buzz words, in full NY TIMES-style liberal language, and were completely false.
Now, removing subsidies to oil companies…I couldn’t agree more. Seriously, it’s like JP Morgan Chase who just was bailed out by the government yet reported earnings somewhere near $20 billion last year. There was a great slideshow on CNN.com yesterday listing the 20 most profitable companies and only two of them were oil companies…
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:06 am
Hey Greg, Obama isn’t Irish you know.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:23 am
Not yet, anyways!
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:35 am
@Jason,
I can’t really do anything about that, as your issues with Obama are basically the reasons I don’t support Clinton. No sense voting for someone you can’t stand, as you’re going to be looking at them for a long time.
April 22nd, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Jake - you hit the nail on the head. It’s just a personal feeling, that’s all. Nothing that can be supported by campaign research.
But again, nice post and well done.
April 22nd, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Jay, did you really have that much hope in Obama that you forgot he’s a politician, same as all the rest. Well I guess I shouldn’t be so prejudiced against politicians - after all maybe it was his team that just didn’t do their research, and maybe he just trusts his research team since he’s too busy giving speeches.
But, either way its almost impossible to be a politician and not succumb to hypocrisy. Obama made that Exxon comment during the televised debate in Phili too….right after silencing the crowd with his criticism that Hillary and The Media are distracting people from the “real issues”. Ha, you should send your research and Exxon post to the Obama team.
But regardless of his folly, I think Jim summed it up best in his comment about Spendocrats when he said that we’re faced with the choice of three evils.
Which is the lesser evil of the three is the question? And since the election process is about popularity and saving face, we’ll really never know which was the best choice until 2012 when we can analyze their accomplishments compared to their promises.
April 22nd, 2008 at 7:38 pm
There are no good choices, and none of them are materially different in terms of what they will realistically be able to achieve out of their political platforms.
I choose to abstain from this vote as my government does not offer me a chance to cast a vote of no confidence at the polls. Call me a bad American, whatever, if there was a “I don’t think any of these candidates are the right person for the job” choice I would do my duty and cast my ballot as such.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:19 pm
I have to take issue with the fact that some think McCain might be overwilling to use war as a means to an end.
There is no candidate who is more familiar with the harsh side or war than McCain.
Look at his face and read into what happened to him at the Hilton and there is no mistaking the fact the McCain is perfectly aware of what war means especially to those who fight it.
Hilary will apply the military in any way that might advance her in the polls reqardless of consequence as made clear in her description of her trip to Bosnia.
Obama has already taken the use of force off the table which means our enemies have nothing to fear with him in office.
War or not - that call needs to be made for the right reasons because we still live in a cruel world and ufortunately, sometimes we have to fight.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Jack, that is a perfectly fair and accurate statement.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Good point, and I’d add that two of his sons are currently serving in Iraq, which in and of itself puts him in a category of his own compared to most politicians.
Are you sure about Obama promising to never use military force if provoked? I know he has promised to pull troops out of Iraq in 12 months after inaugaration, but I’m pretty sure his policy is to use military force only after all other diplomatic routes have failed.
This comes down to whether you agree or disagree that it is useful, or even realistic, to negotiate with leaders of groups such as Hamas, or even president Amahdinajad of Iran.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Ahmahdinijad - I deplore the man, but eventually negotiations might prove useful though i doubt it.
Hamas - undoubtedly and unequivocally no. Hamas is a terrorist group who’s sole purpose for existence is not the betterment of it’s people but the destruction of Israel. The United States does not negotiate with terrorists. I will say that again because I think many forget this simple but important truth. The United States does not negotiate with terrorists.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:13 pm
I agree, while it is critical that we do not ignore Hamas, we must not validate to their cause by pandering to them as some form of legitimate government. I think Oren has done a nice job in many of his posts outlining the many ills of Hamas even against their own people. There is no question they are solely a terror organization and not the real government body they occasionally balk to be.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 pm
I agree with you too Jack.
On the topic of negotiations and diplomacy, my only big reservation about Obama is that he may not be taken seriously by other international leaders when he meets with them. I have no doubt he will eventually win them over, but I think during his first year his lack of experience will an obstacle to garnering the respect of other leaders.
Bush Jr. had his dad as a buffer. Hillary has Bill. And McCain has himself. But Barack will need some time to prove himself.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:39 pm
I think this is the one clear cut advantage Hillary has over the other two candidates. Because of Bill (who is a rock star in Europe) there is no question our foreign relations would greatly improve in Europe.
On the flip side of that coin, Hillary could present greater problems with Mid East relations. Since we are all well aware of the tremendous amount of respect women get in the middle east.
McCain will let the big stick do the foreign relations.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:22 am
I think McCain would have been the right choice 8 years ago, but in todays crazy world I think that diplomacy is what we need and I must say O’bama is the most charismatic diplomat right now. Hillary does not have any kind of appeal and McCain is too jingoistic for any foreign country to take seriously.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:27 am
At least Rineberg still thinks OBAMA is Irish. Remember, everyone’s only Irish on St. Patty’s Day.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:35 am
@Jack:
I wouldn’t say he’s entirely taken force off the table, but you raised an excellent point: only McCain really truly knows the consequences of the decisions that are made with respect to war.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
No one knows the plight of the poor and hungry more than O’Bama.
His ancestry can be traced back to the Irish Potato Famine of 1845.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:47 pm
It was at that very moment that the apostrophe was triumphantly inserted into his very Catholic last name. Irishman everywhere rejoiced to finally call Barack one of their own.
April 25th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
In light of what Jay wrote, in his comment to Oren’s post, about Hamas being *labeled* a “terrorist organization”, I think I’m gonna have to change my mind and disagree with the absolutist notion that the US should absolutely never negotiate with terrorists.
First off, and I don’t know why I didn’t think of this before…the reason there is so much angst against the US and why so many terror groups feel justified in planning violent attacks on our nation is because they perceive us, they *label* us as terrorists.
You think not? Consider the reaction in the Middle East to our unprovoked and unjustified war in Iraq. To an American this may not look like a terrorist attack, but to an Iraqi who has to watch the infrastructure of his country crumble under the weight of an ideology - which is all the belief in spreading democracy is - it appears like a massive, prolonged terrorist attack.
And lets not forget that it is undemocratic to spread democracy without a democratic vote from the country you are trying to spread it in. Well hey at least the Iraqis can get reparations in the form of casinos, that seems to have pacified the Native Americans for the time being.
Or that Al Qaeda is also of the same fixed opinion that they will never negotiate with the United States. And so therefor the War on Terror is in actuality a magnification of the situation that is and has been occuring in Israel. So we’re gonna be at this War on Terror for a long time.
April 25th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Our attraction to nation building will undermine our principle ideals as a nation. We should set examples and not enforce them.
And remember, the real reason we do not negotiate with terrorists is a matter of leverage. Don’t be fooled into thinking that we would not reform our stance as soon as they the terrorists possessed leverage of their own in the form of something we as a country need or require.
Make sure you pronounce leverage in a manner fitting of Jack Sparrow.
April 25th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Besides Al Qaeda’s acquisition of a nuclear weapon what else could possibly force us into diplomatic talks?
And who would we talk to once that moment came around? I guess thats the problem with pissing off a guerrilla organization that isn’t a formal state. They’re practically invisible.
It seems as if we will inevitably have to be the ones to give in to their demands as we are a formal state and a relatively easy target (buy a map at a gas station), unless we actually believe we can eradicate the culture of Radical Islam by whitewashing the world with American culture.
April 25th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
One of the reasons we do not want to negotiate is a matter of recognition. This goes back all throughout history - leading nations only want to negotiate (recognize) legitimate powers, nations, and leaders. The moment we negotiate (recognize) we are recognizing them in a new light and as more powerful then before.
April 25th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
I get the logic of why America think its better not to negotiate with terrorists.
But, you didn’t answer my question as to who we would negotiate with once the time became necessary to negotiate. They aren’t a nation and their leader hides.
April 25th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
To that I have no answer, perhaps we could negotiate with a totem speaking on behalf of a leader who will remain anonymous.
April 25th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
You cannot negotiate with someone who thinks killing hundreds of innocent people in a violent explosion will get them into their afterlife-paradise. What part of “They want to kill you” don’t you understand?
Anyway, before explosives and gun powder…how did terrorists take mass casualties when sacrificing themselves?
Obama is in trouble. A 10 point loss in a “key battleground state” was a lot worse than his campaign anticipated. If the minimum amount of delegates is not met by either candidate, the super-delegates will choose Hillary. This is a shame because for the first time since JFK, the democrats have a good candidate. I wouldn’t mind Obama as President.
If it weren’t for his minister, he would be shilacking Hilalry in the polls.
April 25th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
I think O’bama would be perceived better by the world instead of Hillary or McCain. Instead of Boom Boom McCain or the Devilish Hillary, the world might be more apt to actually respect and listen to the US. Because fear and a big stick will only take our country so far. Diplomacy and negotiations are what we need, not absolutes.
April 25th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
You are right, Obama will be great with diplomacy and negotiations without fear. But how can you say he doesn’t have a big stick?
April 26th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Jon real quick on your statement, “What part of they want to kill you do you not understand”.
Yeah I get they want to kill us. And I get that we want to kill them.
The current US strategy for dealing with terrorism can be compared to a two year old who doesn’t get what it wants. It throws a temper tantrum. All we want is for them to stop being violent and to stop planning attacks. They won’t so we just keep invading countries and sending troops to root out the issue.
But the issue isn’t terrorism per se. The real issue is why these people became so motivated to kill us. What part of US international relations pissed them off so bad. What are we doing that is fueling the fire? And what do we need to do to put out the fire?
A two year old mentality says “an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth” because it doesn’t require much thought. Thats a basic and primitive response to being attacked. But that kind of response leads to endless fighting if both sides are coming at it from the same mentality…which they are.
So we do need to negotiate with terrorists. If you don’t agree, well, you are wrong.
April 27th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Haha. True.
Lest everyone not forget that the U.S. used to supply a variety of Middle Eastern nations with weapons, training and other supplies to provide resistance against the USSR.
June 12th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
This is a funny article on how Obama has nailed the “inspirational facial expression” to evoke the emotion of hope from his supporters.
“Obama Practices Looking-Off-Into-Future Pose”
June 12th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
It kind of looks like the face you would make while sitting on the toilet.